Obviously that is an impossibility and we should do our best to prevent any further misinformation from spreading. The B58 engine was named Ward's 10 Best Engines in 2016 (installed in the 340i), 2017 (), 2019 and 2020 ().. About Us. B. bahn Corporal. BMW N54, N55, S55, B58 & Supra B58 . Meaning I don't think it will hold up well at 600whp+ power levels. Different motor, different capabilities. BMW_B48_B58_OBDII_14 1) Changes to support back end flash maps (see B58 BEF thread for details) 2) Adjustment to in dash controls to correct bug with newer vehicles having bouncing gauges while in dash mode 3) Added high fuel pressure as a CANbus logging channel T11) Added meth_trigger = 4 mode, to allow meth to flow on map0 with OBDII removed. The B58 has not bested the N54. Engine. The updated fueling should provide some benefits on modded B58 engines. Today I decided to go over a quick rundown of things that are highly recommended to do prior to tuning your turbocharged BMW. 135Pats nailed it. My waterpump died at 93,000 and i was surprised how long it lasted. Technical Ignition Coil Secondary Spark Energy Comparison (N54/N55, B58 and PR) Thread starter bahn; Start date Today at 1:11 PM; Forums. the 340 is the upgraded 335 and it has been 10 years so yea its about time BMW release an engine as good as the N54 (power wise). Some fail and some don't. I think its coupled with being a closed deck and having the BMS cone air filter in the front. Obviously that is an impossibility and we should do our best to prevent any further misinformation from spreading. It was launched in late 2006 as a high-performance option for the BMW 3-Series, first to be released along with the new 3-series E92 Technical Ignition Coil Secondary Spark Energy Comparison (N54/N55, B58 and PR) Thread starter bahn; Start date Jan 22, 2021; Forums. With as many water pump failures (in as many ways they can fail) I would never consider this to have a good cooling system. BMW. I agree. bmw b58 vs n55. November 3, 2020 Uncategorized No Comments. Over a decade ago, the BMW N54 debuted and ushered in the forced-induction, precision-injection era to American customers, offering 300 horsepower and 300 pound-feet of torque across an incredibly usable rev band. N54 vs. N55 Reliability: Which Engine is More Reliable? On top of that because it's a closed deck the cylinder walls aremy as well cooled as the N54 and that will only expedite the failure. Summary. All the above doesn't even touch on the oil-facing gaskets that seem to be allergic to oil. IF, and I do mean IF the B58 is better than the N54, by transitive property the B58 is then better than the 2JZ. The fact that replacing them is almost a given on these cars is substantially more important than the design and function. Hello everyone, In todays I compare the G05 BMW X5 40i with the B58 motor and the F16 BMW X6 35i thats equipped with the N55. I would love for it to be true, n54 engine prices would come down making it a delicious engine swap candidate like RB's and JZ's. It's too bad the gaskets and everything around it falls apart far to early. In terms of power - I never owned an N54 or N55 engine, but I test drove what seems like a million 335's while convincing myself over the years to finally buy a BMW. ''The latest B58 engine is totally different than the N54 and N55. I remember Terry saying somewhere that the factory fueling is capped at right around 400 whp and the only way around it is TBI, PI, Meth, etc. The B58 is part of BMW's new modular engine family, each engine using a displacement of 500 cc (30.5 cu in) per cylinder, following the B38 and B48 engine.. The fact the WPs crap out so early when they're not even running half the time was always beyond me. Ok saying that the N54 is german 2jz is wrong as the 2JZ-GTE is actually German LOL. No I'm dead serious, pats explained it too. This is always a touchy subject when it comes to discussions about the N54 and N55. The N54 offers peak torque 100rpm sooner and slightly better throttle response, but it’s barely even noticeable in real-world driving conditions. As we all know, the N54 is the german equivalent of the 2JZ. The S58 engine, which was released in early 2019, is the high performance version of the B58. I wouldn't try running 18* on an N54, that's for sure. Our electric cooling system is awesome and well worth the water pump replacement cost every 50,000 miles or so. BMW’s N54 was the first mass production turbocharged gasoline engine produced by BMW in decades. The piezo injectors have incredible versatility. I'd probably prefer it over the N55. You hit the nail on the head- reliability (and cost) is another story. But I could be talking out my ass so please correct me if I'm wrong. I have a B58 in a 2017 340i ZF8 and find it much faster over the last 9k miles. Thanks to the N54’s twin turbos and forged internals, it is the more capable engine mod-for-mod. BMW N54, N55, S55, B58 & Supra B58 . You can control much more than just duration, you can control how far they open as well, you can basically control their entire spray pattern. BMW. B58 Fuel System Performance. N54 . Thanks to the N54’s twin turbos and forged internals, it is the more capable engine mod-for-mod. Technical Ignition Coil Secondary Spark Energy Comparison (N54/N55, B58 and PR) Thread starter bahn; Start date Today at 1:11 PM; Forums. S55 has been out for 2 years and someone's doing 10.2s. Engine. E88 N54 Alpinweiss/Coral Red/Motiv HTA 3586r Tial .82AR/Other stuff...652WHP, Yes, there are major hard limits to what the factory car will supply fuel-wise. I know that B58 has a better intercooler and overall engine cooling, which allows it to make more efficient power. BMW could of rolled it out at 400bhp stock on that engine. N54 has plenty room for improvement but from the piezo injectors (not solenoid) to the application specific design of the motor being over engineered (vs a modular design mantra) to the fully electric coolant system, BMW went backwards in design moving forward with the B series. Feels like way more that the 20/30 extra HP or LB-Ft of torque that bmw says it has over the 335. Nikasil coating on the cylinder walls. About Us Wedge / / / Performance Racing BMW N54 tuning all started in 2010 with the purchase of my first ‘07 e92 335i which paved the way for where we are today. What do you mean it's bot sleeved? It's not even sleeved. Simply put, the N55 is more reliable. Soon we will have more control over various cooling modes too. Until tuning gets WAY further down the line, no one is going to be making big power on these motors without. The B58 engine was named Ward's 10 Best Engines in 2016 (installed in the 340i), 2017 (), 2019 and 2020 ().. You have to run Meth to break 400whp, correct? BMW’s N55 engine is found in the 2011-2015. N55B30M0 (2009 – present) is a basic version of engine with the following specs: Power – 306 HP at 5,800-6,000 rpm, 400 Nm of torque at 1,200-5,000 rpm. The main reason we got so lucky with the N54 is because it was overbuilt as BMW was just re-entering the Turbocharged game and they didin't want major failures and didn't have enough data. I had a N54 in a 2009 335i DCT and did 25k miles in 19 months. Surely, the sound is fundamentally down to the design of the exhaust system. N55, S55, B58 none of them have dethroned the king, There are a few threads in this forum showing n54s with no meth just FBO e85 mix with inlets that are hitting over 500whp, S55 did, but its in a different price bracket lol, E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions, N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i, http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...1213066&page=4, Recommend this as a feature on the BimmerPost Homepage. As we all know, the N54 is the german equivalent of the 2JZ. Ever since the twin turbo N54 hit the markets in the 2007 BMW 335i, BMW has been building on the design of the turbocharged, direct injected inline 6 engine. I had a N54 in a 2009 335i DCT and did 25k miles in 19 months. Yes, on the B58, Meth was need at *80% to create that power. In 2010, the 335i received the updated N55 engine followed by the B58 in 2016, however, the model was rebranded to the 340i. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. Platinum Vendor. This is a type of the ferrum plasma spray method, which creates a thin layer (0.3 mm thick) of iron on the cylinder wall surface and thus eliminates the need for using the cylinder sleeves. Substantially better than my N54 and N55 setup's. The water pump is definitely running more than half the time. B. bahn Corporal. But that's for another review. The B58’s cylinder block is closed deck; while N54/55 are open-deck; 2. One of the most notable differences are the turbochargers. N55 remedied a few of the big issues that the n54 had. I get a kick out of N54 guys, circle jerking it's superiority, and making excuses for otherwise. It wouldn't be to difficult to make an N54 do air to water intercooler, however if thats your goal is to cool charge air with water, then just run Meth LOL. Stock turbos, the B58 is better. N54 60/130 MPH World Record 4.88s. If they're predisposed to failure, as so many things on this car are, then I'm not sure there's much relevance to how flexible they are in functionality. The B58 is just next evolution of the N55 and I wont think Bmw will ever make a true replacement of the N54. That alone brings a great induction sound. The 12/13* target often used on the N54 is, among some platforms, considered low timing, you guys are just used to that from personal experience (I am guessing). The new B-Series platform is designed to work in 3-, 4- and 6-cylinder variants. That doesn't sound right. Allows for less friction for a quicker revving engine at the cost of cylinder strength. E88 N54 Alpinweiss/Coral Red/Motiv HTA 3586r Tial .82AR/Other stuff...652WHP. Much like the N55, the B58 displaces 3.0 liter (though it’s technically a tad bigger, at 2.998L compared to 2.979L) and uses a TwinPower twin-scroll turbocharger, though the B48’s is … The main reason we got so lucky with the N54 is because it was overbuilt as BMW was just re-entering the Turbocharged game and they didin't want major failures and didn't have enough data. I … BMW N54 vs N55 vs B58 vs S55. BMW. BMW N54 vs. N55 vs. B58 vs. S55: Performance & Reliability BMW N55 engine modifications and differences 1. About Us Wedge / / / Performance Racing BMW N54 tuning all started in 2010 with the purchase of my first ‘07 e92 335i which paved the way for where we are today. It has true performance oriented design, while the previous N54/55 have limited potential which prevents them from taking higher loads.'' About Us. IF, and I do mean IF the B58 is better than the N54, by transitive property the B58 is then better than the 2JZ. Forum Filter. But this may just be an overall Bmw problem. It stays off until the engine is warmed up, it targets different coolant temps based on conditions, it doesn't cavitate at high RPM, it works completely independently to engine RPM. N54 . Summary. There are two main changes that distinguish B58 from N54/55: 1. Forum Filter. But i dont think that air to water inter-cooler is that amazing. Are you saying that the cylinder walls are bare aluminum? Moderators: marco_polo, babybmwadmin, Lambster, Rich196, Producethis, Post The BMW N55 engine was something of legend. Will be interesting to see what BMW does with this engine when tuning … But comparison to the technological showpiece that was the N54 is a nah. There are not endless cases of waste-gate rattle, HPFP failures, or … And the B58 just feels like a different animal to me. For real power, go with an LSx. The B58 has not bested the N54. BMW N54 vs. N55 vs. B58 vs. S55: Performance & Reliability BMW N54 The N54 is a twin - turbocharged straight-6 automobile engine from BMW. Injectors are a new design, the hpfp is the same but is at least a later revision part number, the oil pickup was redesigned to reduce starvation issues and frothing, blowby ports were added to the head to prevent carbon accumulation on the valves, and coolant passages were revised to have greater control over … BMW N54 vs. N55 vs. B58 vs. S55: Performance & Reliability The N54 engine first appeared in the 2006 E92 335i and was introduced across the Page 10/23. As far as the cooling system, it's another great idea poorly implemented. n52 also had this. Read Book Bmw N54 N55 Engine BMW range over the following three years. B58 is using air-to-liquid intercooler, compared to N54/55’s air-to-air intercooler. On one car I've got 100,000 miles with no issue, on the other the pump just failed at 90,000. The N54 is found in 2007-2010 335i models along with the 2011-2013 335is. N55 vs B58 (M135i vs M140i) Dyno data from both engines compared. BMW N54 vs N55. Also, it's not like they have an expiration date. The N54 features a true twin turbo setup while the N55 receives a single twin-scroll turbo. However once you start upgrading the turbo, even though it's a closed deck block, it doesn't have the forged international components. What do you mean it's bot sleeved? Along with the new BMW 3 Series Facelift and the G11 7 Series, the Bavarian manufacturer launched its latest 3-liter inline 6-cylinder petrol mill in the shape of the B58 engine. BMW experienced serious troubles with the initial N54 HPFP’s. The B58 is part of BMW's new modular engine family, each engine using a displacement of 500 cc (30.5 cu in) per cylinder, following the B38 and B48 engine.. Here we have the two most discussed and bought 3-liter straight six petrol mills BMW produced in the last 10 years. N54 60/130 MPH World Record 4.88s. The B58 is just next evolution of the N55 and I wont think Bmw will ever make a true replacement of the N54. The engine can … The N54 offers peak torque 100rpm sooner and slightly better throttle response, but it’s barely even noticeable in real-world driving conditions. The boost threshold on both engines is pretty much identical, and before achieving boost pressure make very similar torque outputs: There are several good reasons for this. Prev. Along with the new BMW 3 Series Facelift and the G11 7 Series, the Bavarian manufacturer launched its latest 3-liter inline 6-cylinder petrol mill in the shape of the B58 engine. E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions, N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i, Recommend this as a feature on the BimmerPost Homepage. Also at 93,000 this engine runs like its brand new. B58 is awesome. Engine. I'm not sure if I missed it, but is the B58 closed deck? The B58 is better at being cheap to produce though, so BMW wins there, and it's a nice little motor. Are you saying that the cylinder walls are bare aluminum? Both offer pretty poor reliability, with the N55 being slightly better. N54 . The fact that the S55 was built atop the popular N55 mill was no surprise to those who have been following BMW. Platinum Vendor. The N54/55 uses cast iron cylinder sleeve, but B58 is different: it uses one latest technology called “Electric Arc Wire Spraying”. It's just great. Both offer pretty poor reliability, with the N55 being slightly better. Lol, hope that's sarcasm regarding the injectors and cooling system being superior. It’s higher pressure fuel system will assist in supporting additional horsepower. Now reliability and cost are another story. At least the engine internals are pretty solid. Ok saying that the N54 is german 2jz is wrong as the 2JZ-GTE is actually German LOL. I'd be curious to know how much any of that impacted the actual performance of the vehicle. And they cycle insanely fast, and provide feedback that can be monitored to adjust and assess their functionality that solenoids can't touch. I think they over engineered some components and fell short on many components as well. clearly he has not done much research about the N54 and its tuning capacity. The S58 engine, which was released in early 2019, is the high performance version of the B58. For one, the B58 appears more reliable than the N54 and N55 were in their first four years. On the street 500 + whp is fast, regardless of how you get there. Let me tell you, I think it sounds amazing. Valvetronic used on the N55 is the 3rd generation, and the one that on the B58 is the latest 4th generation. The waterpump was fairly cheap (compared to say a Lexus) and it was pretty easy to replace and I have xDrive. I have a B58 in a 2017 340i ZF8 and find it much faster over the last 9k miles. Forum Filter. That doesn't sound right. However, it will be interesting to see how the fuel system holds up.